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Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous
12/20/2006  8:56:00 PM
"Anonymous. If you watch carefull the man doing the wave. As the lady drives on that slow getting ready to step outside . With the man you can see what appears to be a distinct pause as he goes into NFR. He is on the first step of what would normaly be the ladies Feather Step. Could it possibly be that he is allowing the lady room to step outside by holding the step for a fraction."

Slowing yes, pausing ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous !
12/20/2006  9:08:00 PM
Anonymous . The shoulders continue the movement. Which brings up another question. If there wasn't some sort of pause how would you know the difference between a slow and a quick. The first step is a slow the third a quick. If there is no delay then there is no slow.
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous
12/20/2006  9:22:00 PM
"Anonymous . The shoulders continue the movement."

WRONG! It is the HIPS and center of both partners which must continue the movement for outside partner to work, though many inexperience dancers try to do it with their shoulders instead.

"Which brings up another question. If there wasn't some sort of pause how would you know the difference between a slow and a quick. The first step is a slow the third a quick. If there is no delay then there is no slow."

It's becomming clear that you are one of those eternal beginners who insists on trying to make your slows twice as long as your quicks. I have news for you kid, it doesn't work that way. You must blend the steps together into a continuity of motion - with the result that by no ordinary analysis of real dancing do slow steps take twice as long as quick steps. There are difference yes, but I'm yet to see any written description that can't be poked full of obvious holes inside of two minutes.

You just have to get a good teacher and learn to feel it. If you can't feel it yet, count to place the first quick squarely on beat three, let the rest flow naturally around that one reference without paralizing concern, and you should be far better than most.
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous 1.
12/20/2006  10:24:00 PM
Anonymous Actually its the whole side that turns in an unbroken line. If you put your right arm straight down by your side the whole lot turns. Bring your arm up and out you are in ballroom position.
Who said anything about taking a longer step, not me. Sometimes the step isn't as big. First of the Reverse for one. Drive that hard and you'll push your partner off her step. Now with more time to spare with the step not so big we are unhurried on our next two steps. That's dancing
I think you will find that the only time putting the two quicks on the beat and let the slows look after themselves was when I wrote it.
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous
12/21/2006  6:28:00 AM
"Actually its the whole side that turns in an unbroken line"

As this is the only part of your post that is actually a coherent and comprehensible sentance, it is the only part I will address - to point out that it's wrong.

In reality, essentially all ballroom rotations occur not as a rigid-body action, but instead as a sequence of actions where each part of the body turns at its own appropriate time - some of them obviously turning together, but not necessarily with the most adjacent body part.

This is very much like the head spotting action that many are familiar with, only applied in various ways to outher parts of the body. The reason for this is that the constraints governing when a body part can rotate are different for each part of the body. Some need to rotate in order to permit moving past the partner, some need to stay oriented towards the direction of movement, and some stay with the partner. Even things many are told are absolutely fixed like upper arms to shoulders, are in the ultimate reality not. But you won't get into that until you have been dancing at a high level for a number of years - it would just confuse a beginner.
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous !
12/21/2006  10:48:00 PM
Anonymous. You might have to change your mind on the use of the word rotation. John Wood uses this word as he describes and teaches the man's Feather Step. You say it is only used on a turn. Wrong Wrong Wrong
As you know John qualfies as a teacher of the teachers.
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous
12/22/2006  9:19:00 AM
"Anonymous. You might have to change your mind on the use of the word rotation. John Wood uses this word as he describes and teaches the man's Feather Step. You say it is only used on a turn. Wrong Wrong Wrong
As you know John qualfies as a teacher of the teachers."

"Rotation" does not have an official dance meaning, unlike some other words.

What I am insisting on is that full attention be payed to the difference between figures in which there is a change in the direction of movement, and figures in which there is none.

In a figure without a change in the direciton of movement, you MUST NOT ACTUALLY PASS YOUR PARTNER, even if you rotate and stretch part of your body past her.
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous !
12/22/2006  1:41:00 PM
Anonymous. So you think you are a greater authority on ballroom dancing than a former British and World Professional Champion who says. On a Feather step with the man moving to the outside with rotation. The lady follows the man's centre to his right side. Read this carefully. Follows the man's centre to his right side as he passes.
How would you explain a Feather Step for the man.
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous
12/23/2006  4:14:00 PM
"Anonymous. So you think you are a greater authority on ballroom dancing than a former British and World Professional Champion who says. On a Feather step with the man moving to the outside with rotation. The lady follows the man's centre to his right side. Read this carefully. Follows the man's centre to his right side as he passes.
How would you explain a Feather Step for the man."

Once you've been in the habit of studying with world class teahers, you will discover that they are only human, and are known to mis-speak from time to time.

The reality is that the partner must not pass each other, and DO NOT PASS EACH OTHER, in non-turning figures. If someone makes poor word choices while explaining that is unfortunate... about the best you can do is take lessons with them, so that you get the benefit not only of their stock explanation, but of their PERSONALIZED CORRECTIONS when applying what you thought their stock "video tape" explanation meant' doesn't product the kind of dance action they wanted...

It's one thing to think you understand a teacher. But after they've seen you dance, you'll know if you understood them or not...
Re: foxtrot reverse wave
Posted by Anonymous 1.
12/25/2006  1:34:00 AM
Anonymous. Do you really believe a world class celebrity would use a word that is not being used in the trade. What about the producers of the tape. considering the tape is to be sold all over the world is it possible they would use words or instructions that weren't a 100 percent correct. It wouldn't be you that is wrong would it.
You just don't understand. If we stood square to the centre and I rotate to diagnal to the centre. The lady does not change her shape she is still on my right hip. Is the lady moving to my right side still in ballroom position or not. If you had the tape you would know that in both solo and with his partner he says the man passes the lady. As far as I know the only people who have difficulty with this are rather plump. Are you or your partner or both plump. Is that why your a bit light on CBM or CBMP.. Also and turning the side keeping your shoulder over your hip. There has to be a reason.

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